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Claret Badger
3:57 Tue Mar 31
Re: These curved TVs
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The new iOS home ls is hard to type with - it picks the wrong fucking word
And us s pun ruin incorrectly
Ah Rick it
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Claret Badger
3:56 Tue Mar 31
Re: These curved TVs
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Sorry I'm late replying chim
I found music recorded to MP3 less than 320 does my head in
It gives me a headache - almost as if my brain can hear the artifacts
Wheres - atrac files on my minidisc 192-256k can sound tolerable - certainly better than the MP3 compression
Flac is the best ive heard of digi files- and that's my bugbear
Music is generated by speakers in analog - our ears are analog
Digital clipping. Smoothing just sounds artificial
Like digital images
They're close
But there NoT the same
I've started buying charity shop CDs rather than listen to MP3 in my car!
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chim chim cha boo
3:32 Mon Mar 30
Re: These curved TVs
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CB.
No mate, trust me, most modern recordings are sampled at 192Khz 24 bit. That's pretty standard in a reasonable recording studio. I even record at that bitrate at home on my ten year old PC sound card. Recordings are then dithered down to 44.1khz 16 bit because that's the standard for CO. It's a hangover from the format of CD itself as a CD can only hold 720megs of data. That's tiny now (a DVD holds 4.7Gb and a BlueRay 25Gb) but it was a lot when the CD audio standard was conceived. If they put the album onto a DVD a CD player probably wouldn't be able to play it.
You are right about MP3 being a lossy format- that's what me and Branded were discussing on this Fred earlier today. We just don't agree exactly how lossy it actually is. He owns a recording studio and I'm in and out of them all the time. He says you can't hear a difference between a nicely dithered 320k MP3 and a WAV and I say you can.I think that they sound thin in comparison. I know you (like me and probably Branded too) are a big fan of Hi-Fi. What's your opinion?
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DukeofDevo
3:07 Mon Mar 30
Re: These curved TVs
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http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/panasonic-tx-p60zt65-plasma-tv-review/16249/
Still around for SecondOpinion
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Claret Badger
2:37 Mon Mar 30
Re: These curved TVs
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Chim
"(typically 192K 24 bit) and then downsampled to 44.1k 16bit which is CD quality."
not really -mp3 is a lossy format
CD is RAW full fat sound files
thank me later
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bovril
8:31 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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Future proof means its probably software related. to upgrade you simply install a later Operating software
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BRANDED
5:50 Sun Mar 29
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Yeah. But he normalised the difference. The actual amount is insignificant and nothing to do with body.
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chim chim cha boo
4:50 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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I didn't realise it was such a short video. So he just used phase cancellation and extracted the difference. Interesting, but I could really hear a difference when he played the original and then MP3- the mp3 definitely sounded thinner.
Maybe it's because I play the drums? When he plays the 'difference' file and says 'wow, that's really all your missing from an MP3' I thought 'that's a lot of crackling, sparkly drum information I'd be unhappy to lose if someone suggested we EQ out in a mix'.
Interesting video though.
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chim chim cha boo
4:41 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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Cheers mate I'll give that a watch.
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BRANDED
4:24 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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If you're interested Chim here's a thing on the difference. What you'll miss in an MP3 is some of the high end white noise stuff like the very top of snare drums and high hats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBPNTAFZMo
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BRANDED
3:59 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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I understand the 4k thing and have wowed at them in a shop. But its still about content.
I would happily to the audio file test on you.
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chim chim cha boo
3:56 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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I understand all that Branded. It's a bit like saying it doesn't matter if you've got decent preamps/mics/desk etc because you'll suffer a lot if you like a song. It's exactly the same. An Analogue of your argument, in fact.
Does that stop you buying the best stuff you can afford and recording music to the best of your abilities?
I'm sure you did perform those tests with MP3s but try them again with any classical music or singer with a guitar accompaniment (which is an awful lot of music) and I'll tell you instantly which is the WAV or AIFF file and which is the MP3.
4K is more about bigger TVs and making your TV SEEM bigger by sitting closer to it than anything else (although there is a lot more to it than that of course like bit-depth and increased dynamic range) that results in a more 'cinema' type experience. Some people won't give a shit and some will.
Ultimately nobody's holding a gun to your head to buy anything here.
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BRANDED
3:48 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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For what its worth. In my studio I have 5 sets of speakers. From small desktop computer ones, to a pair from my parent's 1970s music centre to top end powered studio monitors. Music sounds quite different on each pair but I love the sound of tge 70s speakers as it reminds me of my youth.
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BRANDED
3:41 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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chim chim cha boo 2:53 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
I'm in the music industry and have done blind tests with professionals who think they can hear the difference between different audio file types. I created 128 mp3, 320mp3, wav. Same piece of music, same volume, same sound system. Only difference is the file type. No one gets it. No one consistently hears a difference.
The only time you would is with music with a very wide dynamic range and even then you'd need to be a skilled and knowledgeable person of the piece.
To be honest the sound system, room and environment has more impact. Much much more.
Visual stuff is different but as with both the technical quality is irrelevant if the film/ piece of music/ tv show is not to your liking. If you like something you'll suffer quite a lot in broadcast quality.
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Coffee
3:36 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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chim chim cha boo 2:03 Sun Mar 29
Ask me in 2035.
(Good post, btw.)
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BRANDED
3:32 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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Most 4k content will be online.
This is where you may get the benefit.
However, most people would hardly notice. I mean who gives that much of a shit?
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SecondOpinion
3:23 Sun Mar 29
Re: These curved TVs
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Bring back plasma
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